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miss skeptic Oh where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alex Karras

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and you know I've taken to letting

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skeptical listeners guide me on who I

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should talk to and today's show is a

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great example of how wonderful that can

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be when you let other people take the

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I am almost embarrassed to tell you that

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I wasn't aware of the tremendous body of

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work you can see some of the books on

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the screen that have been generated by

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the husband and wife writing team of Rob

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and Trish McGregor both separately have

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each become award-winning authors as

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well as together have done some amazing

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work but and so many of the topics that

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we love to talk about here on skeptic oh

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and we like to dive in too deeply as

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they have so synchronicities remote

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we haven't talked as much about these

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folks are just a tremendous well of

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information and as I just alluded to

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it's quality stuff it's not like people

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they crank out a lot of books but

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there's a lot of great stuff in these

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books so I'm blown away I'm super

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excited to have them on and to meet them

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and have a chance to talk to him Rob

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Trish thank you both so much for joining

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me on skeptic oh well thank you Alex now

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if our dog suddenly shows up in his

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picture it's because he's right under

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the table here thanks for inviting you

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guys as I just mentioned we're gonna be

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talking a lot about these many many

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books you've written and we're gonna

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play a little game but I like to play a

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call jeopardy where you pick the topics

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and we go where you drive us but as as

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I'm often guilty of I sometimes kind of

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one and here I guess we have to talk

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about books yeah it started basically

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when I met Trish I was working as a

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newspaper reporter on a daily paper in

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Hollywood Florida and I was assigned to

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do an article on how the Cuban refugees

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would come to Florida and the United

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States for the Cuban boatlift in 1980

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and this is like a couple years later

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how they were integrating into our

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society Trish was teaching English as a

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second language at for the International

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University and so I interviewed her and

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interview and it just turned out that we

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both had read all of these set books and

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I gained Robert by Jane Roberts and we

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knew no one else would and not only had

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they not Debra murder residents or heard

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of them but had no interest in the

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subject matter so it was nice to meet

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somebody who had similar interests and

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things went from there well that's

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fantastic you know and as I mentioned

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earlier you've written on a lot of

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different topics and we're going to talk

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a lot about many of the different ones

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we're gonna talk about synchronicities

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especially because a lot of people are

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interested in that and you guys have an

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interesting theory about how

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synchronicities may be at the core of a

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lot of these different phenomena and how

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they all might be linked but I'd like to

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know more about your personal journey

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through these different topics and in

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particular because this is a show that

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really likes to focus on science and on

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one hand y'all don't claim to be doing

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science you're authors but I did gain an

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appreciation for maybe a little bit of

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that newspaper reporter vibe that you

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vet them in some pretty serious ways and

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in some of the work that you present to

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back up some of these ideas that

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unacceptable to people and have become

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much more mainstream but I felt like you

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did go to you know great lengths to show

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the seriousness and the serious people

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that were involved in that do you want

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to speak to that at all

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it won't say I first read about

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eating book the Chinese book of

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divination and young wrote the

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introduction in 1949 and that's the

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place where he first publicly talked

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about synchronicity I thought wow this

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explains a lot you know because at that

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Jung studied and when I met Rob one of

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the first questions I asked him I said

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hey you know what synchronicity is like

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my test question and he goes yeah yeah I

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think I do and he started talking about

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it we actually our first book we tried

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didn't work yeah I'm great at the

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beginning and that was our first attempt

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at a nonfiction book and it didn't go

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anywhere we just weren't prepared at

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that point to write a book on

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synchronicity and so you know other

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things going Trish's first novelty mode

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project ghost writing project with the

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weekly newspaper but I was able to do a

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part-time and Trish was teaching English

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after-school program and I stood without

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that though that and you know we did

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magazine articles and we were doing

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magazine where they I think they paid us

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intrepid editor and that's how we met

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that because that has a negative

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connotation but one of the things people

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seeing it all done it all been there all

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these people that you've encountered

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screen synchros so let me pull back to

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the synchros thing synchronicities

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to kind of approach it from a couple of

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different angles one you've written

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synchronicities and you've chronicled

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of coincidences that go way way beyond

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coincidences in our life but I also

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undeniable science that seems to suggest

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kind of pointing in that direction dr.

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well and a friend of our show Andy dr.

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connection statistically but let's start

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synchronicities because if people pick

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synchronicity they'll find some really

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good kind of factual stuff about what

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synchronicities are some common

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understandings you know this thing of

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for this interview I wake up I look at

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the clock four four four you know so

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happens then the day that I'm doing

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the prep work for the people

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synchronicity people but I'm sorry

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please let's talk about synchros

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biography and he throughout his life a

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had happened to him and his theory was

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that every number is an archetype of

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energy and you keep seeing that

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particular number until you figure out

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that's how young approached it and

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another man Bernard Bateman you need to

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have him on the show he's a psychiatrist

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visiting psychiatrists at the University

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of Virginia and he's really the first

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psychiatrist to take on a serious study

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of synchronicity since young yes since

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young and I'd like to just mention a

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personal synchronicity so if I might

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that are we consider pretty astonishing

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synchronicities they tell you their very

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meaning for that person but then you

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think then you tell somebody else and

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the other person but these I think are

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pretty dramatic this one took place in

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Venezuela at the airport as you're

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moving cocaine to Miami but they weren't

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were they shifted to Venezuela and so

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presence at the border there at the

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airport and so we come up with our

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luggage and to go through but just in

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front of us there is a man who doesn't

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meet luggage she just has a briefcase

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he's dressed this very tall and he's

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wearing a three-piece suit he looked out

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of place in a way and he puts down the

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unlocks it opens it up we're setting

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right behind him and there's these kids

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like 16 17 years old with machine guns

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kind of leaning over or wondering what's

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this going to be there's only one thing

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in that briefcase and it's a book called

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fever and written by Trish but I

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couldn't even prove it because it was

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written under sea and it was a kind of a

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when we was blowing didn't s I didn't

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lost that I just knew after I got home

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from the circuit I didn't have a

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billfold anymore and so the thing is I

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talked to fish loading said yeah it's

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probably in the bottom of the lake

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but I had the feeling that it was going

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to come back to me it's just odd thing I

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just I didn't contact any two credit

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cards I didn't try to get a driver's

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license so three or four days go by and

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I get a telephone call and I'm answer is

283
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Rob MacGregor yeah he said oh I'm glad

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you're alive it was I was fishing in his

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lake with a net and came up with your

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head when I thought your body might be

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down there as well and so he finds it

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and then he we decided to meet at his

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house and a man from India and it turned

290
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out he was having a big party at his

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house Sunday I went there and it was

292
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like moving into a foreign country about

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40 different people in the house hanging

294
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out in the garage and all over Indian

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food and so I was looking for this guy

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there's three guys

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the same name and I finally gets

298
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everyone who owns the house he gives me

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the billfold all my cards all my money

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is in there and I looked it up hey I

301
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just met you last week he he has a lawn

302
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service and he came knocked on my door

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and advertising his services I talked to

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him for about five minutes and and so

305
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here I met him again so that's that's

306
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that's a really unusual one you know

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there's a couple things about that story

308
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that I think are really worth talking

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about a little bit further one is that

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you know as we've shown on this show

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there's these different levels to these

312
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different paranormal phenomenon and like

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one is we feel the need to prove it you

314
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know so we want to talk about we want to

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pull young in or we want to pull in some

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authority or like I was doing I want to

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talk about the science that's been done

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on it but then in another we quickly get

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past that and we get to the personal you

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know and that's something I've

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experienced and I've experienced both

322
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myself directly a lot of times people

323
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have medium readings and it'll be exact

324
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like you were saying Rob they'll say you

325
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know this little thing came through that

326
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when I tell it to anyone else it seems

327
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insignificant but to me it was the most

328
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meaningful little bit of information

329
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that would come through that brings us

330
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to the point of start to ask some really

331
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really deep questions is who is

332
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orchestrating this for what purpose and

333
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meaning might it be orchestrated is it

334
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good is it bad is it our spirit guides

335
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are we potentially being deceived is

336
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there a grand order to everything and is

337
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it working out in a clockwork like

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fashion I think your work particularly

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with synchros brings us to the point

340
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where we can start asking those deeper

341
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questions so let's do it what do you

342
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what about after I had initially read

343
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Young's introduction teaching I actually

344
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started experiencing which what I

345
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thought at the time is coincidences but

346
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they were synchronicities and once Robin

347
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I years later got around to writing the

348
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seven secrets of synchronicity we

349
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realized that there were really seven

350
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categories so it could actually be more

351
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because we we had other categories too

352
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but the editor we were working with said

353
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oh let's keep seven secrets you know we

354
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like that alliteration of the of the

355
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essence so we did a part two on it but

356
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what has the things we found is okay

357
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when you're at a an intersection in your

358
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life okay

359
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you're gonna move or you're gonna get

360
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married you're gonna have a baby you

361
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know big big life events

362
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that's when synchronicity seemed to

363
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happen most frequently right missile

364
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India that's one thing also when you

365
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travel and you're outside of your

366
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comfort zone then you also seem to

367
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experience synchronicity sometimes there

368
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were warnings sometimes their

369
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confirmations and sometimes they're

370
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tricksters so when you were talking

371
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about are they good or bad I mean I had

372
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a Trixie kind of kick me off I had

373
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written I was ready

374
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trilogy for tour and I wanted the second

375
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book to be to evolve time travel so Rob

376
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and I were in Orlando at a Scottish

377
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Festival and I was looking at clothing

378
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that they had there and I looked at the

379
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label in one shirt and it said time

380
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travel I thought wow okay here's my

381
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confirmation this this is what my second

382
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book you know that's a good idea

383
00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:03,060
I passed it by my editor so I thought

384
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all right that's a trickster you know it

385
00:17:12,439 --> 00:17:09,540
was a manifestation of what I wanted but

386
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not what was gonna be so you were

387
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talking about asking a question about

388
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what's the source of these

389
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synchronicities meaningful for incident

390
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or then some incidences we saw that

391
00:17:28,460 --> 00:17:26,250
there's like a deeper level of reality

392
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that exists where everything is

393
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interconnected and

394
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the explicate there's the implicit is

395
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the inner the implant excuse me as David

396
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Bowman on physicists describe it and

397
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then there's the extricate which is the

398
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physical world where

399
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things do not seem to be all

400
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interrelated it seemed to be just the

401
00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:54,990
opposite oftentimes but what

402
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synchronicity is is right at the border

403
00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:01,170
between the implicit and the explicate

404
00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:02,700
because it's something that's peeking

405
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:05,940
through from the implicit order where

406
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everything is interconnected so it's

407
00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:11,130
it's like a clue like people are more

408
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:12,780
religious like they there's a book

409
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:14,670
called God winks you know they see it as

410
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:19,290
a religious yeah I got that part of it

411
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,610
but I don't think that really gets it

412
00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:23,280
the question of which which can be asked

413
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:25,500
in a number of different ways but it's

414
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like who's orchestrating it and for what

415
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:31,740
purpose and we don't i'm not fixed that

416
00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:35,250
we have to come down with a solid answer

417
00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:36,780
one way or another and i wouldn't trust

418
00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:39,270
it if we did because i think the data as

419
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:42,270
were as you've encountered it it in your

420
00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:43,650
other work like when we're going to get

421
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:46,020
it over and talk about ets and abduction

422
00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:49,530
/ contact experience good ET bad ET when

423
00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:51,630
we're talking about demons and we talked

424
00:18:55,970 --> 00:18:53,370
about hungry ghosts or we talk about

425
00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:55,980
angels you know we we have a lot of

426
00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:57,960
different stuff going on in these

427
00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:01,700
extended realms so I'm all for this idea

428
00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:03,750
that you're putting forward which is

429
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:06,780
really fascinating which is synchros are

430
00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:10,770
this particular means of communication

431
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:14,280
in that kind of in-between zone that

432
00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:17,010
might have a particular purpose might

433
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:19,370
serve a particular function as a way of

434
00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:23,070
communication but it does drive me

435
00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:25,500
towards those questions of you know who

436
00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:27,720
is orchestrating it for what purpose and

437
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:31,020
I think it's all I honestly believe that

438
00:19:34,910 --> 00:19:33,330
it's all internal you know if if

439
00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:34,920
somebody doesn't believe that a

440
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:36,360
coincidence is meaningful

441
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:37,890
they're not gonna experience anything

442
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:41,730
you know generally generally generally

443
00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:43,410
but like you say because cuz sometimes

444
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:45,990
right I mean use it and see this in your

445
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:48,720
own work right sometimes it'll come and

446
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,860
just beat you over the head

447
00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:51,360
I mean sometimes it'll be really subtle

448
00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:52,830
and you have to pay attention to it to

449
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:54,990
get the meaning other times it's like no

450
00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:58,530
I'm tell this is it sometimes they even

451
00:20:03,610 --> 00:19:59,700
pass right over by

452
00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:03,620
as for us we have a synchronicity it's

453
00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:06,630
something small and we don't even Pig

454
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:12,809
butter the kind of day later hey so and

455
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,730
a lot of people who don't think we think

456
00:20:18,169 --> 00:20:16,080
about this all the time we've written so

457
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,179
many books about it but other people who

458
00:20:24,669 --> 00:20:21,840
aren't really paying attention aware of

459
00:20:26,779 --> 00:20:24,679
synchronicity I think they have these

460
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,789
coincidences and they just they think

461
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,799
about it for a second or two and then

462
00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:30,240
move on

463
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,100
what's really interesting we have

464
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:34,799
neighbors who had two children and what

465
00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:37,110
our first book came I gave my neighbor

466
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:39,000
the book and she read it and she can't

467
00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:41,730
she said to me Trish I think I've had a

468
00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:43,519
lot of synchronicity some moments and

469
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:46,289
then her kids started coming over and

470
00:21:00,560 --> 00:20:48,210
saying mr. fish miss Trish we've had

471
00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:00,570
some synchronicities okay but guys what

472
00:21:05,930 --> 00:21:03,419
does that mean again we're describing it

473
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:05,940
which is awesome I mean you guys have I

474
00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:09,299
don't want to sound to this to be taking

475
00:21:14,659 --> 00:21:12,419
the wrong to you for doing this work and

476
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:14,669
for I'm asking it and again folks if you

477
00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:16,980
have any doubts like that you know

478
00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:19,710
they're kind of being fluffy with this

479
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:22,769
go read these accounts they're amazing

480
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:23,970
and we can go back to the fact that

481
00:21:26,980 --> 00:21:25,049
these people are careful about

482
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:26,990
collecting accounts they don't just go

483
00:21:31,549 --> 00:21:29,730
take stories that they pick up on the

484
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:31,559
street to try and verify them in many

485
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:33,210
cases through a certain extent to a

486
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:35,610
certain extent and like people will come

487
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:36,570
on their website and share

488
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:38,340
synchronicities but they won't just stop

489
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:40,620
and take them verbatim they'll go and

490
00:21:45,379 --> 00:21:42,570
yeah you nail the person and follow up

491
00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:45,389
and really try and verify it but again

492
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,080
we're describing it we have

493
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:51,299
contradictions all over the place right

494
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,580
that it must trouble you to in terms of

495
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:55,500
yeah does because what you don't for

496
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:57,299
instance you know if you look at the

497
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:00,659
number 11 or 11 11 and when we started

498
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,010
looking into that I was kind of blown

499
00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:02,250
away

500
00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:04,710
okay we're how could it be so many

501
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,260
eleven eleven you know I mean we were in

502
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:09,360
Colombia last year and I found out the

503
00:22:16,860 --> 00:22:12,850
Cartagena was freed from its

504
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:16,870
depends from Spain on November 11th 1111

505
00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:21,460
I thought it is B you know so I don't

506
00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:25,150
know whose Orchestra and it's I don't I

507
00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:29,140
don't I mean I do think it's that

508
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:32,470
underlying that that implicit order of

509
00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:34,330
things and then we exist in that order

510
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,110
as well as we exciter so business fair

511
00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:39,760
it fair enough I mean if that's your

512
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:41,080
answer I'm gonna just try and pin you

513
00:22:46,830 --> 00:22:44,530
down because if that's your answer fair

514
00:22:49,290 --> 00:22:46,840
enough is that we are orchestrating it

515
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:49,300
it's the Tulpa thing it's the we are

516
00:23:01,620 --> 00:22:59,490
I buy that I buy that right but then I

517
00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:01,630
jump over to the other system of the

518
00:23:07,230 --> 00:23:06,040
other work et is is real okay a lot of

519
00:23:08,790 --> 00:23:07,240
people don't want to accept that it

520
00:23:10,530 --> 00:23:08,800
always amazes me people though yeah I

521
00:23:17,010 --> 00:23:10,540
believe in UFOs but I don't believe in

522
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:17,020
et so no matter how we look at it we'll

523
00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:19,930
dive into that in a minute but there is

524
00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:24,340
a being a species a manifestation of

525
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,430
consciousness that is playing in this

526
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:29,440
in-between realm in a way that we don't

527
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,410
understand general experience or the

528
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,960
mediums they're now talking to spirits

529
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:37,840
who are in this extended realm in a way

530
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:39,850
that we don't totally understand but

531
00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:43,710
seems to have some ability to access

532
00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:45,670
synchronicities or effects

533
00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:48,760
synchronicities in our life so that in a

534
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:50,680
way I'm not saying it completely does

535
00:23:56,010 --> 00:23:53,080
but it kind of stands a little bit in

536
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,020
contrast with this we are creating our

537
00:24:00,300 --> 00:23:58,240
reality but we're creating a reality but

538
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:00,310
these other beings are there too and

539
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:02,650
they see back okay

540
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:04,510
I mean a lot you know with with spirit

541
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:07,210
contact in particular you there is

542
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:10,450
interaction you know I don't know if

543
00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:12,160
they're creating the synchronicity but

544
00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:15,100
something is created synchronicity and I

545
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:17,680
mean these higher beings can move

546
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:21,970
between the physical realm and inter

547
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:25,450
between dimensions and non-physical that

548
00:24:29,629 --> 00:24:26,700
can pair up here too

549
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:29,639
and this early coming on a UFO but just

550
00:24:35,629 --> 00:24:32,970
manifesting to us and we're reading a

551
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:35,639
book right now with the woman who's a

552
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:40,559
retired veterinarian who has had 20

553
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:45,960
heated she's having these experiences as

554
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:48,210
I was continuing to have these daily

555
00:24:52,509 --> 00:24:50,129
variants with she doesn't want to call

556
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:52,519
them aliens she cause some beings and

557
00:24:58,220 --> 00:24:56,159
she describes them and she's one of

558
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,230
these people who actually likes this

559
00:25:03,129 --> 00:25:00,720
considering uh she doesn't consider

560
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:03,139
she's being abducted they come to her

561
00:25:08,509 --> 00:25:05,609
every afternoon she spends two to three

562
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:08,519
hours in her bed with them they're not

563
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:12,809
in the bed and like one of them is this

564
00:25:17,060 --> 00:25:14,789
creature that's about seven feet tall

565
00:25:18,619 --> 00:25:17,070
and looks like a praying mantis and I

566
00:25:28,009 --> 00:25:18,629
would go through the ceiling if I saw

567
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,019
that but if she says who's better

568
00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:31,679
equipped to investigate an alien species

569
00:25:37,729 --> 00:25:34,830
than a veterinarian you to sing that's

570
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:37,739
an interesting name yeah she sent Rob

571
00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:40,919
some recordings that she made and they

572
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,549
freak me out they sound in sceptile you

573
00:25:47,989 --> 00:25:45,840
know like if you were standing in an

574
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:47,999
orchard or something and every cricket

575
00:25:54,109 --> 00:25:51,809
knee insect in the world was singing she

576
00:26:00,019 --> 00:25:54,119
said you know checked her out with no

577
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:00,029
number of contact D and has an

578
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:02,070
incredible story and I think this story

579
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:05,850
could be the modern-day equivalent of

580
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:08,129
communion because it's interdimensional

581
00:26:14,539 --> 00:26:11,090
its physical and non-physical

582
00:26:17,539 --> 00:26:14,549
connections and it's it's a fascinating

583
00:26:20,659 --> 00:26:17,549
story she it's a lot of a lot of others

584
00:26:23,299 --> 00:26:20,669
out-of-body travel that they have pulled

585
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:23,309
her out of her body and travel with her

586
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:24,539
in different dimensions

587
00:26:29,659 --> 00:26:28,049
she has lots of those stories that are

588
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:29,669
really fascinating and she feels that

589
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,129
what they're doing is they're helping

590
00:26:36,349 --> 00:26:34,159
her to evolve

591
00:26:39,109 --> 00:26:36,359
vibrationally right I didn't know she

592
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:39,119
could do and she's she feels that she's

593
00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:40,260
living the future

594
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:42,390
this is what humans are evolving to

595
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,090
become both physical and non-physical

596
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:47,700
beings that move between the two

597
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:49,590
realities in other words we get away

598
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:52,230
from the nuts-and-bolts idea of space

599
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:55,350
travel women travel through our minds

600
00:27:01,340 --> 00:26:58,050
through conscious consciousness and can

601
00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:01,350
manifest physically elsewhere well

602
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,260
that's a topic you guys have discussed

603
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:07,020
and covered extensively in some of your

604
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:09,450
prior books I just pulled up aliens in

605
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:11,910
the backyard and beyond strange I mean

606
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:15,900
you have amazing cases of contact /

607
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:18,060
abduction I think that's a really

608
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:19,860
interesting topic that I'd like to dive

609
00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:21,570
in to you with you know one of the

610
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,390
guests that I've had on recently and

611
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:26,400
there's several guests are doing this

612
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:29,250
research with the free foundation I

613
00:27:33,050 --> 00:27:31,050
don't know if you've heard them but ray

614
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:33,060
Hernandez and Rudy shoes all right

615
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:35,490
they're down there in Florida and things

616
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:36,900
they've done and Ray's been on the show

617
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:40,160
multiple times is they've looked at

618
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:42,450
experiencers and they've tried to look

619
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:45,810
at that experience scientifically

620
00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:48,810
through a very academic survey you know

621
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,060
and you know the drill if you do survey

622
00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,520
is the right way you can get good data I

623
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:55,140
mean that's how they do that's how they

624
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:57,510
could date on pain or depression you

625
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:59,220
only have to go ask people but you ask

626
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:01,620
them with enough questions and you do it

627
00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:04,170
in a way that kind of asks it multiple

628
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:06,030
ways and if you do it carefully you can

629
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:07,650
get good data well their data

630
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:10,890
surprisingly comes back and it is very

631
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:14,550
much in favor of I guess that last

632
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:16,770
contactee that you were mentioning they

633
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:18,870
find it overwhelmingly people have a

634
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:22,050
positive contact experience and that the

635
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,690
more experiences they have the more they

636
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:26,880
understand their experiences to be

637
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:29,240
positive they see spiritually

638
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:31,770
transformative experiences throughout

639
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,350
these they see healing experiences that

640
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:36,720
are kind of pretty undeniable people can

641
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:39,660
develop psychic abilities psychic

642
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:41,190
abilities which is against may be

643
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,290
similar to the near-death experience

644
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:46,080
where people do that but at the same

645
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:49,650
time that stands in contrast with some

646
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:51,780
of the cases that you've reported that I

647
00:28:54,019 --> 00:28:53,370
think we have to take very seriously

648
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:54,029
after

649
00:28:58,339 --> 00:28:55,710
spec where people are coming from some

650
00:29:02,060 --> 00:28:58,349
people are having traumatic abduction

651
00:29:03,859 --> 00:29:02,070
experiences that we can't really put in

652
00:29:06,499 --> 00:29:03,869
any other way no one wants to be taken

653
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:06,509
against their will and have these kind

654
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:08,609
of weird medical experiments done right

655
00:29:12,019 --> 00:29:10,769
and people are reporting that and

656
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:12,029
there's good documentation for that

657
00:29:17,139 --> 00:29:14,190
where people come back and they don't

658
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,149
their clothes are switch with someone

659
00:29:23,209 --> 00:29:20,580
backwards all this kind of strange stuff

660
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:23,219
it is really terrifying and then to see

661
00:29:28,489 --> 00:29:24,690
your children which in a lot of cases

662
00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:28,499
people see their children being abducted

663
00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:30,899
or having this contact experience so

664
00:29:37,249 --> 00:29:34,649
this idea of the good alien versus the

665
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:37,259
bad alien is something that I think

666
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,570
really needs to be wrestled to the

667
00:29:43,489 --> 00:29:41,039
ground a little bit more and who better

668
00:29:46,009 --> 00:29:43,499
to do it than you - I don't think

669
00:29:49,009 --> 00:29:46,019
there's just one species here you know

670
00:29:50,329 --> 00:29:49,019
just like we're not just one you know we

671
00:29:52,879 --> 00:29:50,339
have black sand without clothes and

672
00:29:58,099 --> 00:29:52,889
white sand you know we're as buried I

673
00:30:01,339 --> 00:29:58,109
think is these aliens different

674
00:30:05,329 --> 00:30:01,349
intentions so so I think some of them

675
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:05,339
are here maybe for not the best motives

676
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:07,529
for the future of the human race others

677
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,710
may be very neutral and just coming for

678
00:30:14,239 --> 00:30:12,179
harvesting our resources that we can

679
00:30:17,719 --> 00:30:14,249
make use of and others may be benevolent

680
00:30:20,749 --> 00:30:17,729
and here to help us but not in a way

681
00:30:23,899 --> 00:30:20,759
then we want we might want them to land

682
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:23,909
on the White House lawn make an

683
00:30:29,899 --> 00:30:26,669
agreement you know that they're they

684
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:29,909
don't so be think that is the best way

685
00:30:36,739 --> 00:30:31,940
that we have to do it ourselves

686
00:30:41,419 --> 00:30:36,749
and there may be helping behind the

687
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:41,429
steam but not in not in a way that a

688
00:30:46,609 --> 00:30:44,849
concrete way that we see we had in one

689
00:30:48,469 --> 00:30:46,619
of the cases we talked about in aliens

690
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:48,479
the backyard about this French Canadian

691
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:51,450
who's had this experiences backyard over

692
00:30:59,599 --> 00:30:55,799
a period of time we asked him he was

693
00:31:03,529 --> 00:30:59,609
carrying around a vial full of holy

694
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:03,539
water and so Rob said send it to us we'd

695
00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:05,369
like to take it up to Cassadaga the

696
00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:06,749
spiritualist community in Central

697
00:31:10,150 --> 00:31:07,680
Florida

698
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:10,160
have a friend of ours who is a psychic

699
00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:14,310
psychometrist read it so psychometrist

700
00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:17,030
is somebody who takes your hogs yeah and

701
00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:20,160
reads it reads the object but she also

702
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:23,430
is a medium mystic so I went in there

703
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:25,470
and I had the vial and she used to be an

704
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,380
are in so Kathy and me she thought it

705
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,480
was a vial of urine that I was four

706
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:32,700
years no God I didn't tell her what it

707
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:34,860
was by just start laughing so she reads

708
00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:40,050
it and she was oh they did it for fun in

709
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:42,270
other words they entertainment she's an

710
00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:46,440
entertainment that was the whole this is

711
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:49,920
this can be entertainment for them that

712
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,640
was something yeah that really was you

713
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:56,880
know I had a similar story from a guy

714
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:00,300
who I interviewed just terrific guy who

715
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:02,970
is we have a connection

716
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:05,850
Rob he's a long time yogi long time

717
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:11,480
meditator for twenty years was under the

718
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:15,270
the TM guy anyways he had gone to India

719
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:17,610
and had an incredible series of

720
00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:20,340
encounters with a number of mystics

721
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:23,180
gurus and stuff like that and one guy

722
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:26,130
took it took him kind of under his wing

723
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:28,350
and said okay I'm gonna tell you the

724
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:30,150
truth you know you I can see by your

725
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,670
aura your consciousness has evolved so

726
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:34,740
far here's what you need to take it the

727
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:37,590
next way and there's these visitors out

728
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:38,850
there that you're going to connect with

729
00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:41,850
lo and behold he connects with these has

730
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,040
these amazing experiences so he claims

731
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:46,740
with people from the star system of

732
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:48,450
Sirius and he travels out-of-body

733
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:50,610
experience but the point of the story

734
00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:53,210
without just being another alien story

735
00:32:59,380 --> 00:32:56,430
is that's what they said they said you

736
00:33:03,260 --> 00:32:59,390
know look he said why do you why do you

737
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:03,270
show up in these spaceships because

738
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,910
obviously you can communicate

739
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:07,620
telepathically you can travel

740
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:12,150
telepathically and goes that's fun too

741
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:15,540
and and I think you know the part of

742
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:17,310
that that really resonates with me is

743
00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:20,840
that it's the as below so above

744
00:33:26,499 --> 00:33:22,789
as above so a little bit I think of it

745
00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:26,509
as as below so above we have people

746
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,820
doing things for a bunch of different

747
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:30,590
reasons and we have some people whose

748
00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:32,450
actions we totally can't understand

749
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:33,649
either because they're doing something

750
00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:34,850
really horrible and they're hurting

751
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:37,159
people and being evil and you know we

752
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:39,110
see that we go why would they do that we

753
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:40,220
see other people that are incredibly

754
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:42,830
altruistic can't just want to love and

755
00:33:46,299 --> 00:33:44,210
help other people we see everything

756
00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:46,309
in-between the people are obsessed with

757
00:33:51,659 --> 00:33:48,620
kind of gaining things on all this and

758
00:33:55,149 --> 00:33:51,669
why wouldn't there be that same kind of

759
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,159
diversity of consciousness he's extended

760
00:34:00,879 --> 00:33:57,679
and moreover that's not only logical

761
00:34:03,489 --> 00:34:00,889
that to me seems to be what your data is

762
00:34:07,330 --> 00:34:03,499
speaking to this thought was just came

763
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:07,340
into my head about a year ago um we got

764
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:10,010
a email from whitley strieber and he

765
00:34:14,829 --> 00:34:11,990
said you guys know were Casa de cactus

766
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,839
and synchronistically we were just

767
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:16,639
leaving Casa de die because I thought in

768
00:34:19,419 --> 00:34:18,290
astrology workshop there I said sure we

769
00:34:21,849 --> 00:34:19,429
know where it is we go if there a lot

770
00:34:24,129 --> 00:34:21,859
goes well can you meet up me up there in

771
00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:24,139
a couple weeks we set a date and one of

772
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:25,429
the interesting things that came out of

773
00:34:31,329 --> 00:34:28,970
that that meeting was he feels that

774
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:31,339
abductions are not happening is

775
00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:33,980
frequently anymore because whoever

776
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:37,220
whatever species or race was doing them

777
00:34:44,619 --> 00:34:39,800
they have everything they need so that

778
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:44,629
now there's more of the abductions

779
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:47,720
aren't as important important and the

780
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:49,250
way Whitley talks I mean it's like

781
00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:51,530
they're the ETS

782
00:34:56,829 --> 00:34:54,589
maybe exist in the same sphere the same

783
00:34:58,450 --> 00:34:56,839
dimension is the dead and that's why

784
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:58,460
people sometimes when people were

785
00:35:04,990 --> 00:35:00,260
abducted or had encounters they would

786
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:05,000
see a loved one would passed on I got a

787
00:35:09,099 --> 00:35:06,410
jump in there with the inquiry to

788
00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:09,109
perpetuate doubt skeptical thing I'd

789
00:35:12,579 --> 00:35:11,180
like to see the data on abductions

790
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:12,589
aren't as frequent because I'll tell you

791
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:15,230
one place I hear like people say UFO

792
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:17,030
sightings aren't as frequent as they

793
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:19,700
were before simply not true they're just

794
00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:23,540
more yeah if you go count the numbers on

795
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,540
YouTube they're certainly I don't know

796
00:35:30,579 --> 00:35:29,119
if they're more but there are less I

797
00:35:32,829 --> 00:35:30,589
wonder the same thing with abduction

798
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:32,839
based on what we've just said you know

799
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:34,190
there's all these

800
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:37,220
different visitors throughout time right

801
00:35:42,819 --> 00:35:39,650
I mean forever

802
00:35:45,069 --> 00:35:42,829
so the the that we live in some special

803
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,079
time when the aliens are ready to wrap

804
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:47,359
it all up I mean maybe he just show me

805
00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:49,730
the data and I can be able to but maybe

806
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:54,140
the so-called bad race that was doing

807
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:55,369
these abductions and these medical

808
00:36:00,339 --> 00:35:57,410
experiments maybe they're the ones who

809
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:00,349
have kind of backed off but if so then

810
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,770
let's bring in the good guys I agree you

811
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:06,560
know I kind of said I'm gonna do this

812
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:08,089
skeptical jeopardy thing and then I'm

813
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:11,690
kind of worried so where do we want to

814
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:14,150
go what what topic do you feel like we

815
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:22,450
spirit conduct we're not it okay let's

816
00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:24,230
talk about spirit contact it we already

817
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:27,020
did a little bit right one of the main

818
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:28,730
questions I'd have regarding spirit

819
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:32,560
contact is in which way do we understand

820
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:36,410
spirit contact and spirit communication

821
00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:40,400
to be different from what we've already

822
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,020
been talking about synchros or ET

823
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:47,119
communication in the extended realm and

824
00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:49,910
also I have to ask you maybe if you want

825
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,369
to share with folks the rock in the

826
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:54,800
graveyard story because that was a weird

827
00:36:59,530 --> 00:36:57,890
way great went in and it also you know

828
00:37:02,079 --> 00:36:59,540
one thing people will find it when in

829
00:37:04,839 --> 00:37:02,089
your books is you guys are so brave and

830
00:37:06,819 --> 00:37:04,849
open and you share about your your life

831
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:06,829
together as a couple and you share about

832
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:09,740
with your your daughter and and this is

833
00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:11,630
a story that encompasses that ik I'm a

834
00:37:24,579 --> 00:37:14,329
family story and people kind of think

835
00:37:27,970 --> 00:37:24,589
we're surfing vacation for my daughter

836
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:27,980
and I are both my surfers and we get

837
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:31,310
this hotel we looked up online and

838
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:32,900
seemed really nice right on the water

839
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:37,720
and it was kind of you shaped with

840
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:40,250
hearts on either side in the back and

841
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:42,170
looked like a nice garden in the middle

842
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:44,030
and then the ocean the other side the

843
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:47,300
garden actually was great here and and

844
00:37:50,589 --> 00:37:47,599
we

845
00:37:54,969 --> 00:37:50,599
right in the back on the first level so

846
00:38:00,219 --> 00:37:54,979
our large overlooked the graveyard and

847
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,229
Megan did not like that yeah and she

848
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,440
didn't like having that greater right

849
00:38:07,779 --> 00:38:05,599
there but so one day we saw that the

850
00:38:10,029 --> 00:38:07,789
gate was open so I said let's go in and

851
00:38:12,579 --> 00:38:10,039
see what's going on and so we walked in

852
00:38:15,219 --> 00:38:12,589
there and the first thing we see is one

853
00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:15,229
half of the rinser for sticking up that

854
00:38:20,739 --> 00:38:18,380
as a grave marker and we had thought

855
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,749
this was some ancient graveyard that had

856
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:22,880
been there you know historical one but

857
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:24,529
this guy had just died four months ago

858
00:38:32,289 --> 00:38:29,680
and that was half of his young laser for

859
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,299
wherever the wind blows I will be that

860
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:34,400
was when it said under and his name

861
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:38,140
which is cool and then we see the grave

862
00:38:47,739 --> 00:38:43,880
digger great Baker yeah I have to show

863
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:47,749
you this there the sand here goes up all

864
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:50,420
the time and so there's graveyards and

865
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:53,150
there's layers of grades and so he was

866
00:39:00,099 --> 00:38:55,880
digging a grave to bury somebody and he

867
00:39:02,499 --> 00:39:00,109
came upon another grade from an earlier

868
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,509
great big earlier graveyard and he

869
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:05,599
wanted to show it to us and we thought

870
00:39:15,999 --> 00:39:07,670
oh that's okay we don't have to have to

871
00:39:18,309 --> 00:39:16,009
see what's over there so by this time

872
00:39:20,170 --> 00:39:18,319
menacing I want to get away from this

873
00:39:23,979 --> 00:39:20,180
graveyard so we talked to the management

874
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:23,989
and they they put us in the building on

875
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:25,940
the side which is completely empty at

876
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:30,380
the time except for us and so we now the

877
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:31,729
porch looked right out there in the

878
00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:32,210
auction

879
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:35,299
however the door to the apartment was

880
00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:37,430
actually closer to the graveyard than we

881
00:39:45,099 --> 00:39:41,960
had been before but so that night we

882
00:39:48,279 --> 00:39:45,109
been fairly early about loving tender

883
00:39:51,279 --> 00:39:48,289
living o'clock I gonna sleeping and

884
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:51,289
she's in a separate room in the back and

885
00:40:00,099 --> 00:39:56,210
we both fall asleep and suddenly we hear

886
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:00,109
this sound boom it sounded like a

887
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:01,070
wrecking ball like

888
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:05,660
hitting the side of the building and at

889
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:08,210
a very resonant sound at first I know am

890
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:10,690
I dreaming this or is this happening and

891
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:15,440
it's just my personal dream and so this

892
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:17,750
happened three times three three bangs

893
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:19,400
like that three times and after the

894
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:23,230
ninth one ninth bang I sat up and Trish

895
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:25,670
simultaneously set up she had heard the

896
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:29,210
same thing and it was this sense there

897
00:40:33,310 --> 00:40:30,770
was something very I don't know

898
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:33,320
enlightening about I just felt really

899
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:37,100
filled with a very positive sense of

900
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:39,260
this yeah we were just great it wasn't

901
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,190
frightened nothing for a new strange and

902
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:48,380
so it was like spirit contact but it

903
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:50,450
wasn't the spirit contact where you're

904
00:41:01,780 --> 00:40:52,670
connecting with a family deceased family

905
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:01,790
members because of the rock interesting

906
00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:03,650
experience because it was such a

907
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:07,340
resonant sound that felt both inner and

908
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:11,150
outer and and they could never hear

909
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:12,320
anything yeah and she never heard that

910
00:41:18,670 --> 00:41:15,920
which is probably good wow that's a

911
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:18,680
credible story and you know we could

912
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:21,020
like we were talking about before we

913
00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:23,030
could really drill into how you knew it

914
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:26,420
was the rock and you know did that by

915
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:28,670
sense I'm you know but isn't that the

916
00:41:33,130 --> 00:41:30,170
way it is I mean that's like we're it is

917
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,140
or it's like that's what is meaningful

918
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:34,880
and that's the connection again to your

919
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:36,980
synchronicities if it's meaningful to

920
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:39,800
you than it probably any crap yeah we

921
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,790
actually thought there might have been

922
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:44,000
an earthquake so we went to the

923
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:45,530
management's and asked them if anything

924
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:47,000
there had been any reports of

925
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,890
earthquakes or anything like that and

926
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:50,390
then we told them what happened they

927
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:53,450
said oh that's that's the spirits but

928
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:55,820
they're friendly they're good let's talk

929
00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:57,770
about all that and let's talk about a

930
00:42:02,140 --> 00:41:59,780
couple of these books the secrets of

931
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:02,150
spirit communication and synchronicity

932
00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:05,960
and the other side so this topic of

933
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:08,120
spirit communication is something you

934
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,910
guys have written about and from that

935
00:42:14,350 --> 00:42:12,800
story and as well as your work in

936
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:14,360
mediums and in spiritual

937
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:16,670
this community's you kind of know a lot

938
00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:19,490
about what will people find in these

939
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:21,800
books and what else do you want to share

940
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:24,260
about spirit communication that you

941
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:28,520
think is most misunderstood let me tell

942
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:30,260
you let me give you one really personal

943
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:33,740
example in 2000 my mother died of

944
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:36,500
complications from Alzheimers and five

945
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:37,850
years later my dad died from

946
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:41,960
complications of Parkinson's and I over

947
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,640
the years I tried to keep track of them

948
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:45,920
in the afterlife through dreams like I

949
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:48,110
would dream of my mother still using her

950
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:50,630
Walker and calling for my dad or I'd see

951
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,690
my dad you know using his wheelchair so

952
00:43:01,180 --> 00:42:56,480
one night I taught him a meditation

953
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:01,190
course and I think it he did an eyes

954
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:04,580
partially open meditation right well

955
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:07,250
anyway so my eyes were partially open I

956
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:09,230
was in a really relaxed state and in a

957
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:11,030
corner of the room I suddenly saw my

958
00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:13,370
mother and she was standing outside a

959
00:43:18,610 --> 00:43:16,430
theater laughing and motioning people to

960
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:18,620
come on into the theater and she looked

961
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:20,630
really young like in her 30s maybe and

962
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:23,210
then she waves at somebody and so I

963
00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:25,880
looked at where she was waving and I see

964
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,060
my dad who also is younger I'm trotting

965
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,040
up to her and they looked really happy

966
00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:32,480
and then they realized I think it was

967
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:34,460
kind of turned and there was some

968
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,410
recognition that I could see them and

969
00:43:40,090 --> 00:43:37,520
they just faded away

970
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,100
I think that was also the meditation

971
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:43,520
workshop where I was teaching as six

972
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:45,980
sessions and that was the sixth one and

973
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:49,450
the last one though just as we completed

974
00:44:00,400 --> 00:43:55,040
the final moment of the meditation the

975
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:00,410
lights go up and so I think maybe there

976
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:04,070
was a sword or something we walk back on

977
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,330
the switch and somehow had flipped off

978
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:10,160
and there's nobody nobody was standing

979
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:12,530
back there and but it just came right at

980
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:15,470
the perfect moment lights out as the

981
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:21,680
yeah oh my personal contact with the

982
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:25,670
other side is rough on through deceased

983
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:33,309
with friends or relatives who have died

984
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:36,290
like a cousin of mine I wasn't real

985
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:40,910
close to him and I knew he had brain

986
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:45,950
cancer and was was very ill and I didn't

987
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,530
know how much longer he had left but I

988
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:51,200
had this dream it was a very vivid dream

989
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:53,569
that there he was and he looked very

990
00:44:58,809 --> 00:44:56,329
healthy which is surprising and looking

991
00:45:01,300 --> 00:44:58,819
around and saying what's happening you

992
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:01,310
know and then he vanishes and the next

993
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:02,930
morning my sister called me and said hey

994
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,660
Jonathan

995
00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:07,760
but dreams are aren't what we've been

996
00:45:11,859 --> 00:45:10,099
able to find our research seemed to be

997
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:11,869
the most common way that people

998
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:15,260
initially have spirit contact maybe

999
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:17,420
because it's so non-threatening you know

1000
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:19,160
you dream about somebody but it's very

1001
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:23,930
timid my mother had done some

1002
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:26,359
interesting contacts with my father

1003
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:28,550
after he died he used to sit in his

1004
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:32,920
chair in the den and read blog and after

1005
00:45:39,609 --> 00:45:35,569
he passed my mother was sitting there

1006
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:39,619
and they lived in Minneapolis it was

1007
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:42,470
winter and the window had frosted over

1008
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:45,319
and his nickname was mac and she looked

1009
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:47,810
and there were the initials ma C in the

1010
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:51,920
frost right next to another time she saw

1011
00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:54,710
him yeah that is a weird yeah this is

1012
00:46:00,059 --> 00:45:57,230
when she was in that same chair she has

1013
00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:00,069
been a half asleep for a half week and

1014
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:02,630
coming awake and look there he was

1015
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:06,260
standing in the doorway of the den and

1016
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,650
he is wearing this orange striped shirt

1017
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:11,839
and she system where did you get that

1018
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:14,930
shirt from and he just laughs and

1019
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:17,960
banishes you know some of the questions

1020
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:19,430
I've always had about medium

1021
00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:21,740
communication and spirit communication

1022
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:24,020
luck to get your opinion on it and I've

1023
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:26,210
just done a number of shows as it turns

1024
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:31,490
out with some different mediums one I

1025
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,760
always have a hard time sorting through

1026
00:46:39,849 --> 00:46:37,280
the discrepancies like I had a dismayed

1027
00:46:41,319 --> 00:46:39,859
amount outstanding medium no doubt she's

1028
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:41,329
terrific and she's doing great work

1029
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:41,930
she's doing

1030
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,690
she's a death doula you know so she goes

1031
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:46,880
around the hospice centers and helps

1032
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:48,020
people who are making the transition

1033
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:49,970
helps families who are making this

1034
00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:52,280
transition and she uses her mediumistic

1035
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:55,780
abilities but she also just uses good

1036
00:47:01,300 --> 00:46:58,760
dental doula kind of things but we get

1037
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:01,310
to talking about reincarnation and it

1038
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:02,930
turns out she's from the spiritualist

1039
00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:04,490
tradition you know the spiritualist

1040
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:06,680
Church and they don't really don't

1041
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:09,560
believe in that which is strange and the

1042
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:12,170
holy thing the belief thing is strange

1043
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:15,980
you know you know leaves know all this

1044
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:18,470
love I spoke with another just

1045
00:47:23,110 --> 00:47:21,020
delightful person a medium from the UK

1046
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:23,120
and she says yeah I was kind of brought

1047
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:25,250
up in that tradition and had that belief

1048
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:27,560
and then I had this experience with this

1049
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:29,510
woman who kind of helped me see my past

1050
00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:31,610
lives and help me understand

1051
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:36,260
reincarnation what's going on we

1052
00:47:40,810 --> 00:47:38,150
understand to be communicating with

1053
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:40,820
these other rooms can't resolve like a

1054
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:43,700
basic question of like reincarnation and

1055
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:45,980
what does that say in general for the

1056
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:47,750
information we're getting through I know

1057
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:51,350
I think we tend to think about

1058
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:54,530
reincarnation in linear time that this

1059
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,640
life before this life after where if you

1060
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:01,280
think outside of linear time all of

1061
00:48:07,090 --> 00:48:03,790
these lights coexisting simultaneously

1062
00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:07,100
so you are your own personality that

1063
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:09,560
person whose own personality but your

1064
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:12,140
higher self is related to all of those

1065
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:16,030
personalities so maybe you look at that

1066
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:20,270
definition that could be one that could

1067
00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:22,940
you can say okay reincarnation doesn't

1068
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:25,550
exist or you can say yes it does exist

1069
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:27,140
no but that he's found out that the

1070
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:29,780
actual spiritualist belief right

1071
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:32,420
reincarnation is not real that it

1072
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:34,310
doesn't exist how could they get that

1073
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:36,200
how can they get that wrong you know if

1074
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,610
we're gonna bring it down to really kind

1075
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,680
of concrete terms you know which I hate

1076
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,440
because we're right and wrong is kind of

1077
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:44,240
iffy but but that's how it comes across

1078
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:45,800
right cuz people read your books and

1079
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:48,890
your books are well organized and well

1080
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:50,930
thought-out to kind of make a case or to

1081
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:53,120
say how to make for example how to

1082
00:48:57,310 --> 00:48:55,310
improve your chances of having spear

1083
00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:57,320
communication which is totally valid and

1084
00:49:00,820 --> 00:48:58,460
that's what people want to know you know

1085
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:00,830
how can I communicate directly with

1086
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:03,650
people who've passed because the mediums

1087
00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:05,150
will tell you that - you know a lot of

1088
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:07,340
mediums the best mediums will say hey do

1089
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:08,930
it yourself that's the bad way because

1090
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:11,240
they realize if they are an intermediary

1091
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:13,010
and they're somewhat getting in the way

1092
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:16,340
but I'm again kind of interested in the

1093
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:19,370
phenomenon itself you know like why is

1094
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:22,730
there how could there be that we don't

1095
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:24,500
why is through that dogma

1096
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:25,940
you know why does it yes I don't know

1097
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:28,430
it's very mysterious I remember the

1098
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:30,830
first time there's a medium of custody

1099
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:32,390
or we know really well we've known a few

1100
00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:36,080
years and one time in a reading I said -

1101
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,630
I said well can you tell me about my you

1102
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:40,880
know past lies because oh they're just

1103
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,530
we don't we don't believe in

1104
00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:44,720
reincarnation and set there now I was

1105
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:47,660
just so shocked you know just it okay

1106
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:49,970
well does that mean you're just stuck in

1107
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:51,980
the afterlife for all this time what

1108
00:49:58,060 --> 00:49:56,210
happens you know and she said oh you to

1109
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:58,070
explain to me what whatever the belief

1110
00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:59,900
system was you know about what happens

1111
00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:01,880
is you there and then you know this is

1112
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:03,560
kind of a related question but something

1113
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:06,650
I want to ask you guys that the other

1114
00:50:11,860 --> 00:50:08,690
problem with the reincarnation thing and

1115
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,870
I pointed it out is that the data that

1116
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:14,720
we get back so we can get all attached

1117
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:16,850
to the data and science and all that

1118
00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:18,350
stuff and there's so many problems with

1119
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:20,660
it but at the same time we have a need

1120
00:50:24,850 --> 00:50:22,130
we all have a desire to kind of

1121
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:24,860
understand things in a rational in a

1122
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:27,350
logical way so if you look at the data

1123
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:29,570
that comes back about reincarnation it's

1124
00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:31,220
pretty convincing you know you look at

1125
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:33,140
those folks at the University of

1126
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:36,770
Virginia even sent in Jim Tucker now you

1127
00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:38,540
know and like BAM they'll hit you with

1128
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:40,190
these case after case where the data

1129
00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:41,930
comes through clearly and you know

1130
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:43,670
they've done it in a controlled way and

1131
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:45,020
they have the birthmarks and all this

1132
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,150
stuff day to day to date it and then

1133
00:50:54,370 --> 00:50:49,940
that what what do you do with that what

1134
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:54,380
why how do how much do we rely on that

1135
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,160
data or to what extent is that not even

1136
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:01,760
a valid path to pursue is it just

1137
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:04,430
another way that we're deceiving

1138
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:06,440
ourselves to think we can nail these

1139
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:08,450
things down with data you guys have

1140
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,930
dealt with a lot

1141
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:12,400
scientifically minded people about

1142
00:51:16,589 --> 00:51:14,380
remote viewing and Jill mechanical and

1143
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,599
you know Stargate or you know any number

1144
00:51:21,059 --> 00:51:18,640
of ways where you guys are familiar with

1145
00:51:24,329 --> 00:51:21,069
science and the data that's a pretty

1146
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:24,339
updated let's treat all that well

1147
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:27,790
Carol Bowman wrote two books on

1148
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:29,770
children's past lives and she actually

1149
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,950
studied with Ian Stevenson and one of

1150
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:35,200
the areas were they different from my

1151
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:37,240
understanding is that Carroll felt that

1152
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,730
these regressions rather than just you

1153
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:42,160
know finding out who you were that

1154
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:44,290
they're really about healing certain

1155
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:47,890
trauma in this life that may be related

1156
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:52,150
to previous lives and she you know are

1157
00:51:57,569 --> 00:51:54,430
you familiar with the Leininger case but

1158
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,579
the kid who never wore one they first

1159
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:00,160
contacted Carol and she flew down to

1160
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:02,530
where they lived and talked to the boy

1161
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:05,410
and she felt there was a genuine case

1162
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:07,030
that she wrote the introduction to their

1163
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:11,020
book but what's interesting I said well

1164
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:13,480
Carol get me the chart data I want look

1165
00:52:17,609 --> 00:52:14,609
at this kid's chart

1166
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:17,619
he's astrology trip so she I'm in the

1167
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:20,680
data and they had only a time of birds

1168
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:23,010
and and place of birth for his previous

1169
00:52:30,059 --> 00:52:25,660
life this world war two the pilot but

1170
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:30,069
what I noticed in astrology you have the

1171
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:31,510
North node of the moon and the South

1172
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:34,390
node of the North node is the direction

1173
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:35,530
you're supposed to move in this lifetime

1174
00:52:39,569 --> 00:52:37,930
to achieve all of your potential the

1175
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:39,579
South node is your comfort zone things

1176
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:43,500
you've you've mastered in previous lives

1177
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:46,960
for this kid the nodes were reversed and

1178
00:52:51,299 --> 00:52:48,730
I thought I don't know what this means

1179
00:52:53,099 --> 00:52:51,309
but it's really interesting so you know

1180
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,109
an answer to your question I mean you

1181
00:52:57,420 --> 00:52:55,119
can collect all kinds of data relates to

1182
00:52:59,970 --> 00:52:57,430
astrology or science or whatever and you

1183
00:53:03,150 --> 00:52:59,980
may never have the answer you know the

1184
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:03,160
answer may still a looter fair enough I

1185
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:07,440
can't I can personally attest to that

1186
00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:10,690
where else might we go can we should we

1187
00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:12,790
tell people about should we share with

1188
00:53:15,569 --> 00:53:14,980
you about all this work you've done do

1189
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:15,579
Wesley

1190
00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:21,670
fascinating this story the first

1191
00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:23,260
question I have

1192
00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:25,600
to ask and once they hear the story

1193
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:28,080
everyone will ask the same question is

1194
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:31,300
tell me this is for real

1195
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:34,750
tell me verify this cuz this Sharpie

1196
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:40,150
folks is just crazy crazy story do we do

1197
00:53:44,810 --> 00:53:43,450
we know this guy's for real yes he's not

1198
00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:44,820
stocked oh yeah

1199
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:47,020
over several years I've communicated

1200
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:50,830
with him and he said he was a police

1201
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:54,790
officer for 15 years worked in Child

1202
00:54:00,900 --> 00:53:57,700
Protective Services will years became a

1203
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:00,910
private investigator I think for several

1204
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:04,960
years and then he now is does security

1205
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:07,780
and surveillance at a Texas

1206
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:11,400
he's from Texas and and a Texas hospital

1207
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:15,160
whose current job and his experiences

1208
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:17,080
started when his ten years old when he

1209
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:21,040
was in coming from I think was a 4th

1210
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:24,580
July family event they were driving home

1211
00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:29,560
and Central Texas and they were the only

1212
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:31,840
car in the road art and suddenly there

1213
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:35,530
was his green light about 500 feet in

1214
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:37,300
front of the car and it change colors

1215
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:42,670
green blue red and it was there for

1216
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:45,190
about five minutes is they they didn't

1217
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:46,990
know what it was and then it vanished

1218
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:49,270
and like he was very interested but

1219
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:51,730
nobody finally seemed to be curious and

1220
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:54,670
wanting to talk about it anymore after

1221
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:55,210
that

1222
00:54:59,609 --> 00:54:57,880
so just such a sad detail so he has like

1223
00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,619
two brothers or something in the car and

1224
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:01,690
it's be I get different couple brothers

1225
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:06,010
right parents and after that he started

1226
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:08,560
having out-of-body experiences which he

1227
00:55:11,849 --> 00:55:09,910
had no idea what or not about he

1228
00:55:16,109 --> 00:55:11,859
experienced those his first one he had

1229
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,119
lifted up and out of his body and he saw

1230
00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:18,160
floating near the ceiling he saw his

1231
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:20,619
brother getting up to go to the bathroom

1232
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:23,260
and then brother came back and was

1233
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,410
shaking shaking him for him to go to the

1234
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:28,000
bathroom and that's when he came back

1235
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:30,010
down into his body and that was his

1236
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:31,690
first experience so he told his brother

1237
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:35,170
and parents brother laughed at him and

1238
00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:36,520
his parents got mad at him for

1239
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:40,300
telling stories and or just I think the

1240
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:42,490
father was upset and the mother said it

1241
00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:46,810
was just a dream nothing to it and but

1242
00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:48,520
he kept having these experiences and

1243
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:50,620
then he didn't he stop talking about him

1244
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:55,390
to anybody for was the problem you know

1245
00:56:02,790 --> 00:55:59,850
for years he he had these and then the

1246
00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:02,800
he I think it's a pretty young one yeah

1247
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:05,020
when the when the aliens got involved

1248
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:09,310
they would he had he describes one

1249
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:11,260
experience where there were seven or

1250
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,570
eight of these small beings for the by

1251
00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:15,640
feet tall throughout he wakes up in the

1252
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:18,220
surrounding his bed and they lift him up

1253
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:20,170
now I'm not sure whether he is out of

1254
00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:24,730
body or in his fun well from the account

1255
00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:26,440
from the account way I read it it's one

1256
00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:27,640
of the things I want to ask you about

1257
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:30,340
because later when he's married his wife

1258
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:34,540
it feels him physically moving from the

1259
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:37,390
bed so he has some evidence that some of

1260
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:40,270
his out-of-body experiences aren't even

1261
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:43,570
out-of-body he's made in other through

1262
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:46,720
the which is also some of the data we

1263
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:49,720
get back from encounters they only in

1264
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:51,970
contact stories it's both so sometimes

1265
00:57:04,590 --> 00:56:54,310
it's his consciousness moving outside of

1266
00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:04,600
the bed astral travel things took his

1267
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:08,320
arms and they're Humbert above the bed

1268
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:10,930
and spinning him around and around and

1269
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,140
around and then they they all surround

1270
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:17,440
him and they he's in the center and they

1271
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,850
spin around him like Sufis are dancing

1272
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:24,160
Sufis and I don't know what they're

1273
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:27,580
doing and but maybe just working with

1274
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:30,850
them on you know I just like this Susan

1275
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:33,220
woman that were today game the

1276
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:36,430
veterinarian that has similar unusual

1277
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:39,640
experiences with these beings and so

1278
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:44,740
yeah then he starts doing these

1279
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:46,630
explorations on his own it doesn't

1280
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:50,530
always involve ETS and

1281
00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:57,040
wundabar yeah we love this story this is

1282
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:01,390
you know this is know he feels that he

1283
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:06,220
has developed the ability to manipulate

1284
00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:09,640
matter while out of body so he goes to a

1285
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,220
topless bar and he sees another guy

1286
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:13,920
who's on her body at the bar

1287
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:25,680
the waitress walks by and he reaches out

1288
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:28,660
and grabs her she's wearing these short

1289
00:58:32,310 --> 00:58:29,200
shorts

1290
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:32,320
grabs her hooks under the band pulls

1291
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:34,570
down the shorts and the underwear down

1292
00:58:39,090 --> 00:58:37,090
to her knees she drops your drink spins

1293
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:39,100
around looking for the drummer who see

1294
00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:42,610
anybody and then the other guy out of

1295
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:48,790
body like that very strange let's add a

1296
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:50,410
couple things to this story because it's

1297
00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:54,760
gonna get even people love to kind of

1298
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:56,320
engage with this particularly in a way

1299
00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:57,460
that you guys do it because I first

1300
00:59:00,660 --> 00:58:59,020
wanted to establish that you know this

1301
00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:00,670
is somebody you've actually talked to

1302
00:59:04,890 --> 00:59:02,350
it's a real person and he does have this

1303
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:04,900
background police is a cop you know a

1304
00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:06,130
trained observer

1305
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:08,080
the other thing that correct me if I'm

1306
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:11,320
wrong but at some point he verifies with

1307
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:13,630
his brother and his brother says yeah I

1308
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,130
didn't want to talk about it but yeah I

1309
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:17,200
remember that experience too I remember

1310
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:19,660
that first encounter on July 4th and I

1311
00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:21,970
you know and you hear this over and over

1312
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:24,100
again with families you know where

1313
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,110
everybody's kind of buries it or

1314
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:28,960
sometimes it's subconsciously buried but

1315
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:31,330
there's reason he has independent

1316
00:59:35,490 --> 00:59:32,860
verification that some of this stuff

1317
00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:35,500
happened then the other part like you

1318
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:37,600
mentioned it later he gets married and

1319
00:59:41,340 --> 00:59:39,340
he has verification of his he's

1320
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:41,350
complaining you're east sharing some of

1321
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:42,670
this stuff with his wife and then at

1322
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:44,650
some point no he's moving off the bed

1323
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:47,080
and he's cold as ice when he comes back

1324
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:48,610
to the bed so there's kind of this

1325
00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:50,770
contact with the physical world and then

1326
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:53,230
we launch into these other stories that

1327
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,930
you're telling like what the bar thing

1328
01:00:00,540 --> 00:59:58,480
is unbelievable and then what happened

1329
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:00,550
or is the what happens in the astral

1330
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,310
we're thinking of this place of

1331
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:14,720
knowledge the acacia record he what you

1332
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:16,460
decided he wanted to go to the occasion

1333
01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:19,460
record and so he goes off into the

1334
01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:22,190
cosmos soaring it's he says it started

1335
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:24,700
like a Star Trek episode where you go

1336
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:28,400
yeah everything the stars are like lions

1337
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:32,060
you're shooting through space and then

1338
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:35,690
he he thinks about what he thinks of the

1339
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,270
Akashic record as his best man she

1340
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:40,880
thinks about the mansion and then he

1341
01:00:44,650 --> 01:00:42,470
slows down and stops and there is this

1342
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,660
mansion he's hovering above it and he

1343
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:46,880
says it's hard to describe it's so cute

1344
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:49,580
and so beautiful and there's all of

1345
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,010
these different rooms and each room has

1346
01:00:59,260 --> 01:00:55,040
this incredible large base on it that

1347
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,270
houses art and it's just incredible and

1348
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,520
that that's the stories of the

1349
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,400
individuals each one each person has

1350
01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:07,280
this supposedly has this room in this

1351
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:11,300
vast mansion and so we're waiting you

1352
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:14,090
know I'm waiting to hear this what's

1353
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:16,490
what's all the knowledge that he's

1354
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:18,530
gaining and when it turns into something

1355
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:21,530
else completely that it goes down in the

1356
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,700
center there in the plaza area and he he

1357
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:28,400
meets this older woman wearing this long

1358
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:34,600
dress and she she approaches him and

1359
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:37,940
kind of acting like a guide and at some

1360
01:01:42,970 --> 01:01:40,490
point she tells him that I'm not really

1361
01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:42,980
an older woman that I can change my

1362
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:47,480
images to I feel comfortable like this

1363
01:01:52,540 --> 01:01:50,600
and people don't recognize me and he he

1364
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:52,550
didn't he said I always wanted and

1365
01:01:57,010 --> 01:01:54,830
that's what Ryan is concerned about

1366
01:01:59,830 --> 01:01:57,020
being recognized she was being concerned

1367
01:02:02,110 --> 01:01:59,840
both recognized that so anyhow in a

1368
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:02,120
flash she she changes and she's a

1369
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:07,370
younger woman and their return ie she

1370
01:02:12,490 --> 01:02:10,460
wasn't that average looking I guess you

1371
01:02:16,450 --> 01:02:12,500
know I love the way you know the details

1372
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:16,460
await doesn't because first definitely

1373
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,660
just the Attic on wings

1374
01:02:21,609 --> 01:02:19,520
wasn't that he really is she really is

1375
01:02:24,370 --> 01:02:21,619
sharing some deep knowledge and there is

1376
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:24,380
this kind of telepathic download where

1377
01:02:28,569 --> 01:02:25,910
she's able to answer all these questions

1378
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,579
so right we normally say with a

1379
01:02:34,180 --> 01:02:31,039
spiritual higher ordered being and then

1380
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:34,190
chips and he goes you like such a guy

1381
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:53,569
you know and so he can tell me that she

1382
01:02:59,579 --> 01:02:55,970
wants to have sex and this we wrote

1383
01:03:02,740 --> 01:02:59,589
about this on our blog several different

1384
01:03:05,620 --> 01:03:02,750
episodes and it became very

1385
01:03:07,329 --> 01:03:05,630
controversial some people are very upset

1386
01:03:09,819 --> 01:03:07,339
by this story I'm going to the Akashic

1387
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:09,829
record and having sex and they thought

1388
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:12,220
this was some kind of lower being

1389
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:14,930
because he doesn't have he doesn't have

1390
01:03:24,490 --> 01:03:22,160
sex here has the most amazing it and

1391
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:24,500
also you know talk about tantric stuff

1392
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:27,470
he's not talking about it just in terms

1393
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:29,470
of sex although this guy who likes to

1394
01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:32,180
out-of-body travel the topless bars he's

1395
01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:34,760
talking about it as true spiritual union

1396
01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:40,430
of these everything you could be

1397
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:42,440
magazine here baby

1398
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,470
prime stuff you know so it's it's all

1399
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:48,079
that that that stop that kind of touches

1400
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,520
them all these things and then also I

1401
01:03:53,859 --> 01:03:51,200
want to emphasize the other point which

1402
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,869
is to me really important like you post

1403
01:03:58,569 --> 01:03:56,000
it to your forum and you get some really

1404
01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:58,579
smart people and some deep people on

1405
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:00,890
your forum who are going hey I'm you

1406
01:04:05,230 --> 01:04:02,710
know I have spirit communication

1407
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:05,240
abilities and I think this is a lower

1408
01:04:08,529 --> 01:04:06,559
realm other people you know not

1409
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:08,539
necessarily so we're going to talk a

1410
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:09,950
minute you know people need to check out

1411
01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:12,529
your blog because you guys post a lot of

1412
01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:13,640
this stuff there it's an ongoing

1413
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:15,950
community and there's some deeper

1414
01:04:19,779 --> 01:04:17,930
thought that you guys follow up with on

1415
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:19,789
that so I'm sorry but I want to cheer

1416
01:04:24,579 --> 01:04:21,650
all that because it's fantastic please

1417
01:04:28,539 --> 01:04:24,589
continue the story yeah that one of the

1418
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:28,549
women who on this uh Connie cannon we

1419
01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:30,770
talked about her an alien's the backyard

1420
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:32,660
had a lot of experience with with

1421
01:04:36,750 --> 01:04:34,850
abductions and out-of-body travel this

1422
01:04:39,970 --> 01:04:36,760
kind of thing and she felt Connie's

1423
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:39,980
thing was we don't really know how

1424
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,770
complicated the other side is or how

1425
01:04:45,550 --> 01:04:44,240
complicated you know when you go out of

1426
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:45,560
your body we don't we don't really know

1427
01:04:50,890 --> 01:04:47,630
you know the matrix of reality is is

1428
01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:50,900
vastly complex and she's had experience

1429
01:04:57,420 --> 01:04:54,140
with somebody one of her former doctors

1430
01:05:01,330 --> 01:04:57,430
who became Britain's very close to and

1431
01:05:04,210 --> 01:05:01,340
she had contact with him and sexual

1432
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:04,220
manner and she said it was it was

1433
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:08,420
similarly incredible like nothing beyond

1434
01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:11,570
any kind of sexual experience that she

1435
01:05:18,010 --> 01:05:14,420
has ever had an epistle said the same

1436
01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:18,020
thing that he said seemed to go on and

1437
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:20,360
on and it was just kinda makes you want

1438
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:27,110
to die right well I think that I love

1439
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:29,630
the openness that you have about that

1440
01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:32,960
because just in the sense that I think

1441
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:35,030
it's to me the only way to really

1442
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:37,310
understand even to begin to understand

1443
01:05:43,330 --> 01:05:41,330
the data is to look at the possibility

1444
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,340
is in take I don't think we have to take

1445
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:45,200
everyone's story and give them equal

1446
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,150
weight that's not what I'm saying but

1447
01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:49,520
when we find like you do people and you

1448
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:51,380
vet them the best you can and you get

1449
01:05:56,830 --> 01:05:54,380
these accounts I like the way you guys

1450
01:06:00,100 --> 01:05:56,840
are able to just lay these out in a book

1451
01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:00,110
and then say okay you know they don't

1452
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:02,990
all fit together perfectly with one

1453
01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:04,790
answer kind of thing and that's

1454
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:06,830
certainly the story with Wes Meeks I

1455
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,690
mean and I you're not trying to

1456
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:10,640
pigeonhole it down and say well it

1457
01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:13,670
either has to be true in this sense or

1458
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:15,860
it has to be that way so how does the

1459
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:17,420
story how does the story end you guys

1460
01:06:23,350 --> 01:06:19,850
are still in contact with Wes he's still

1461
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:23,360
having different experiences but he's

1462
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:28,670
still in that astral realm frustrated

1463
01:06:36,850 --> 01:06:32,650
not getting out that much anymore so

1464
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:36,860
he's last couple times I talked to him

1465
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:39,410
he's he would actually like to be a

1466
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:43,160
psychic detective using his abilities

1467
01:06:47,859 --> 01:06:44,480
and

1468
01:06:53,170 --> 01:06:47,869
I told him that's a very difficult route

1469
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:53,180
to go because we did some writing on an

1470
01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:55,460
investigation of the psychic detectives

1471
01:07:03,550 --> 01:06:59,720
and one man actually because he knew so

1472
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:03,560
much about this murder is the Boston

1473
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:06,050
Strangler case actually that he became a

1474
01:07:12,099 --> 01:07:09,650
suspect at the time although I've talked

1475
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:12,109
to a bunch of psychic detectives on the

1476
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:13,910
show and if you're going to go into that

1477
01:07:17,319 --> 01:07:15,290
field the first thing you have to know

1478
01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:17,329
is you're going to be a suspect in every

1479
01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:26,390
case exactly I was able to give houses

1480
01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:29,720
and so now they thought without having

1481
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:32,150
to break in and not only that he's

1482
01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:33,770
trying to talk his way into the police

1483
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,960
investigation tool and this is good

1484
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:38,720
because you know this this could be him

1485
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:41,150
and what they did is they gave him this

1486
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:43,970
truth serum a combination George party

1487
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:46,040
teacher telling right yeah gave him a

1488
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:49,550
combination of drugs that affected his

1489
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:51,740
nervous system for the rest of his life

1490
01:07:57,849 --> 01:07:54,740
and we met him like 20 25 years after

1491
01:08:04,030 --> 01:07:57,859
the Boston Strangler case and you very

1492
01:08:06,490 --> 01:08:04,040
much still very upset about that I spoke

1493
01:08:08,589 --> 01:08:06,500
with the medium not too long ago again

1494
01:08:10,329 --> 01:08:08,599
just delightful person and somebody I

1495
01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:10,339
really liked at the end of the day and

1496
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:14,200
respected but her first experience like

1497
01:08:18,820 --> 01:08:16,750
this ties in a couple of the different

1498
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:18,830
of stories we've been talking about

1499
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:22,880
already but she had an experience with

1500
01:08:29,019 --> 01:08:25,310
her mom passing it opened her up

1501
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:29,029
psychically and then in this opening up

1502
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:32,239
a spirit comes to her and says I want

1503
01:08:34,749 --> 01:08:34,130
you to help me resolve my case I was

1504
01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:34,759
murdered

1505
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:37,430
and I'd like justice and you'll hear

1506
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:39,170
about us I'm sure you guys can attest

1507
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:41,210
that you'll hear about this a lot from

1508
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,190
people who get into the psychic

1509
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,960
detective stuff and some people go there

1510
01:08:48,370 --> 01:08:45,920
and some people don't

1511
01:08:51,190 --> 01:08:48,380
she didn't want to go there but this

1512
01:08:53,860 --> 01:08:51,200
spirit kept pestering her so finally she

1513
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:53,870
calls the local police department and

1514
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:56,410
says here's what I have

1515
01:09:00,750 --> 01:08:58,630
she immediately becomes a suspect but

1516
01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:00,760
she's kind of got a family and she has a

1517
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:02,440
pretty good alibis so she's able to get

1518
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:03,790
over that but it's pretty upsetting in

1519
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:05,970
her life but the other thing that

1520
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:08,410
happens with it a couple things happen

1521
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:10,750
with it one is it doesn't lead to a

1522
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:13,090
prosecution which is the other thing

1523
01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:15,850
that skeptics particularly have a

1524
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:17,620
problem with you know it's like well

1525
01:09:21,390 --> 01:09:19,810
then you know they got him right it's

1526
01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:21,400
like no they can give all the

1527
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:25,030
information in the world and it might

1528
01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:27,310
not lead to a conviction because there's

1529
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:29,470
this whole legal process and in her case

1530
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:31,960
the detective after he retired from the

1531
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,500
case years later a couple of years later

1532
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:37,120
contacted her and said I'd like to work

1533
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:38,710
with you more because we weren't able to

1534
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:41,380
do anything we think you're right about

1535
01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:44,800
who defied as the suspect but we weren't

1536
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,780
able to go there now I'm a private

1537
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:47,920
investigator

1538
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:50,980
I want to go there the other interesting

1539
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,250
thing about it was it resolved no never

1540
01:09:59,130 --> 01:09:57,310
in it no never was resolved la brings up

1541
01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:59,140
a bunch of interesting questions again

1542
01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:01,570
back to the you know what happens in the

1543
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:04,390
astrodome stays and yeah they can't

1544
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:07,390
think this person who's stuck in the

1545
01:10:10,980 --> 01:10:08,770
astral rooms trying to resolve their

1546
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,990
case their case isn't isn't resolved it

1547
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:12,640
isn't meant to be resolved or whatever

1548
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:15,130
and so I mean do you have any any

1549
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:17,260
thoughts about that and also this medium

1550
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:19,210
had the ability to talk to ET and I

1551
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:22,060
wonder why other mediums don't lead with

1552
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:25,330
oh yeah of course I'm talking to beings

1553
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:27,550
from other planets all the time but

1554
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:29,830
again that seems to be outside of the

1555
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:33,850
strangely outside of the the swing zone

1556
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:38,290
for a lot we had back in 1987 I think it

1557
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:41,170
was when Adam Walsh vanished

1558
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:43,630
a friend of ours Renee while he was an

1559
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:45,610
artist and psychic was working with a

1560
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:48,850
cooper city cop and he wanted to drive

1561
01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:51,370
around the mall where Adam was last seen

1562
01:10:56,340 --> 01:10:54,820
and Renee was an empath and so they're

1563
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,350
driving along and all sudden Renee

1564
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:58,000
started gasping and then she's just

1565
01:11:01,560 --> 01:10:59,260
started sobbing

1566
01:11:04,710 --> 01:11:01,570
she said Adam Walsh was decapitated and

1567
01:11:07,860 --> 01:11:04,720
about two weeks three weeks later they

1568
01:11:09,819 --> 01:11:07,870
found his decapitated body it's not only

1569
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:09,829
father said oh they only found it

1570
01:11:17,379 --> 01:11:15,710
so years later we were with Rene a young

1571
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:17,389
girl had disappeared from Green Acres

1572
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:19,820
Florida so Rene says do you guys want to

1573
01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:21,050
come with me to the police station and

1574
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:22,820
see how I do this I said sure

1575
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:24,800
so we went to the police station she

1576
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:27,679
Rene did her things she handled the

1577
01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:30,710
little girls toys and eventually she led

1578
01:11:36,069 --> 01:11:33,860
the police to this field it was fenced

1579
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:36,079
in and she said I think the body's in

1580
01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:38,449
there and I believe that the boyfriend -

1581
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:40,940
did you know the other interesting thing

1582
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,030
about that story and in a way it kind of

1583
01:11:49,299 --> 01:11:46,159
brings us back full circle to the

1584
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,309
synchronicity thing doesn't it III want

1585
01:11:54,939 --> 01:11:51,679
to throw in Marisa Ryan was the the

1586
01:11:57,609 --> 01:11:54,949
medium that I was referring to that and

1587
01:12:00,339 --> 01:11:57,619
the her connection with et I think was

1588
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,349
really that is it that she's she's

1589
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:02,719
talking to et in it again it blows me

1590
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:02,960
away

1591
01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:06,980
why isn't if et is out there then why is

1592
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:09,739
in every medium leading with and of

1593
01:12:15,729 --> 01:12:12,710
course you know et is out there too and

1594
01:12:20,049 --> 01:12:15,739
I talked to et all the time I think you

1595
01:12:24,069 --> 01:12:20,059
should be on your show I don't know yeah

1596
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:24,079
maybe maybe et has been who knows this

1597
01:12:30,609 --> 01:12:27,679
work for probably reaching the time

1598
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:30,619
limit of what people can bear to hear

1599
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:34,790
because work go on and on and on this is

1600
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:36,650
but we haven't talked about a lot of

1601
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:38,690
these topics so we'll love to have you

1602
01:12:42,939 --> 01:12:40,369
guys back on it and they'll be great

1603
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:42,949
there's a lot more yes there's a lot lot

1604
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,489
more including Rob and I are yoga pros

1605
01:12:53,049 --> 01:12:49,520
and not only teaches meditation but he

1606
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:53,059
teaches yoga I didn't start doing 40

1607
01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:56,110
years old no I've done it for 31 years

1608
01:13:00,339 --> 01:12:58,340
that's awesome I've done it for a lot of

1609
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:00,349
years - and you mentioned you know I am

1610
01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:04,690
gar and my first teacher in Dallas was

1611
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:06,980
you know that lineage it actually

1612
01:13:12,939 --> 01:13:11,090
brought Iyengar to Dallas and a whole

1613
01:13:14,410 --> 01:13:12,949
interesting thing to talk about there I

1614
01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:14,420
want to talk about the dark side because

1615
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:16,070
my anger was not a very nice guy

1616
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,670
and he was kind of red that kind of mean

1617
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:20,960
to some of the students and I even saw

1618
01:13:26,410 --> 01:13:22,310
that firsthand and a little

1619
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:26,420
you know workshop that we did where you

1620
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:29,450
know he kind of had not evolved and so

1621
01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:31,970
much with all those downward dogs that

1622
01:13:36,780 --> 01:13:34,580
he that he did so that the spiritual

1623
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:36,790
path is interesting and the the dark

1624
01:13:42,190 --> 01:13:38,900
spiritual path why are some of these

1625
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:42,200
people who seem to be advanced seem to

1626
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,030
be doing some kind of pretty weird

1627
01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:46,400
things which has an interesting link

1628
01:13:51,220 --> 01:13:48,470
back to the West meek story and that

1629
01:13:53,290 --> 01:13:51,230
will not be perfect and he's not perfect

1630
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,300
but I love the way that he says he's not

1631
01:13:58,060 --> 01:13:55,760
perfect but I think raises a bunch of

1632
01:14:02,350 --> 01:13:58,070
interesting questions about you know

1633
01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:02,360
what is what is true spirituality what

1634
01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:04,040
is there about so one other thing about

1635
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:06,440
West makes is that he had sent me his

1636
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:09,920
two notebooks of journals and I'd gone

1637
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:13,280
through that he had taken notes after

1638
01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:14,690
these experiences and was very

1639
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,280
interesting going through them and when

1640
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:18,640
I got to the one on the akashic record--

1641
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:22,070
different a little bit from his telling

1642
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:23,660
it because he told it like he didn't

1643
01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:26,360
know what the Akashic record was but

1644
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:29,150
he's saying that it was just this this

1645
01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:30,710
place where there's this mansion of

1646
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:34,070
knowledge but in the journal he writes

1647
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:35,960
Akashic record right at that time so

1648
01:14:40,570 --> 01:14:38,510
yeah you know a little different like

1649
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:40,580
that but essentially the story was the

1650
01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:42,770
same know that he wrote that he had

1651
01:14:57,340 --> 01:14:45,950
written and he made a killing his wife

1652
01:14:59,290 --> 01:14:57,350
was written yeah well you know we have

1653
01:15:00,460 --> 01:14:59,300
to turn that in I'm sorry about that

1654
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:00,470
because that's a great part of that

1655
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:08,450
story yes you know it's so human who

1656
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:10,130
writes this story down but he wants to

1657
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:11,570
write it down in his journal I guess

1658
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:14,210
that's human and he wants to remember it

1659
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:16,730
he wants it any lock Saddam and his wife

1660
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,480
finds it you know this is like a

1661
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:23,120
question but like you know I don't have

1662
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:25,730
a lot of experience with these

1663
01:15:29,710 --> 01:15:27,770
experiences I'm pretty dense but I have

1664
01:15:31,930 --> 01:15:29,720
been able to lucid dream mainly through

1665
01:15:33,550 --> 01:15:31,940
my son who was a lucid dreamer from an

1666
01:15:36,139 --> 01:15:33,560
early age and was telling me yeah you

1667
01:15:38,060 --> 01:15:36,149
know this is this is happen so

1668
01:15:39,889 --> 01:15:38,070
you know and it kind of sparked my

1669
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:39,899
curiosity and seeing if that's real and

1670
01:15:43,459 --> 01:15:41,820
anyone who lucid dreams if they're

1671
01:15:46,969 --> 01:15:43,469
honest about it when the first things

1672
01:15:51,259 --> 01:15:46,979
they'll talk about is what do you know

1673
01:15:54,859 --> 01:15:51,269
can you have say and it raises that same

1674
01:15:58,299 --> 01:15:54,869
question yeah what are your what are

1675
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,309
your obligations are your

1676
01:16:09,310 --> 01:16:00,840
responsibilities responsibilities if

1677
01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:12,889
he's pissed off I mean that is just real

1678
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:17,629
world right yes it hit me a being human

1679
01:16:25,219 --> 01:16:20,219
yeah and even this woman were working

1680
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:25,229
with veterinarians ie a person she goes

1681
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,199
on her body and has experience - grabs

1682
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:30,659
the sky and they start doing and she she

1683
01:16:35,419 --> 01:16:33,090
writes it and very puts it right off

1684
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:35,429
Franta you know and she she wonders why

1685
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:39,289
I did that but it was great fantastic

1686
01:16:43,489 --> 01:16:41,489
well you know the other thing I wanted

1687
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:43,499
to point people to when I just pulled it

1688
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:45,289
up synchro secrets

1689
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:48,659
synchro secrets is the other yeah you

1690
01:16:52,009 --> 01:16:50,219
can see it up there but you really have

1691
01:16:54,679 --> 01:16:52,019
to visit it just pulling it up there

1692
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:54,689
doesn't do it justice but I'll have

1693
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:56,760
links in the show notes to all of that

1694
01:17:03,739 --> 01:17:00,719
in these books folks good books and you

1695
01:17:06,529 --> 01:17:03,749
know if you're an Amazon person and if

1696
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:06,539
you have the Amazon unlimited like a lot

1697
01:17:10,909 --> 01:17:09,239
of you I know have you're gonna be able

1698
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:10,919
to know this isn't helping these authors

1699
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:12,329
out and we need to help these authors

1700
01:17:15,529 --> 01:17:14,249
out but they've just that was a pretty

1701
01:17:17,839 --> 01:17:15,539
good career so I don't need to worry too

1702
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:17,849
much about them but a lot of these books

1703
01:17:22,729 --> 01:17:20,820
are available for free read on Amazon so

1704
01:17:26,270 --> 01:17:22,739
take advantage of that but you'll get a

1705
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:26,280
sense for well written books well

1706
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:28,409
researched books that deliver on what

1707
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:30,510
they promised so you know the seven

1708
01:17:36,489 --> 01:17:33,689
secrets of synchronicity you can say oh

1709
01:17:39,529 --> 01:17:36,499
gee you know that sounds a little too

1710
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:39,539
worked over by the publisher but it

1711
01:17:43,429 --> 01:17:41,070
really works I mean there's some good

1712
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:43,439
solid advice in there it's laid out in a

1713
01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:45,719
way that you can follow it and then some

1714
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:48,040
of these other books are just incredible

1715
01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:50,530
right tell us tell us more about before

1716
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:54,100
we let you go tell us more about some of

1717
01:18:01,260 --> 01:17:57,630
the books that people find most

1718
01:18:02,990 --> 01:18:01,270
interesting surprising Rob you've got to

1719
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:03,000
tell us about the Indiana Jones walks

1720
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,770
people are not gonna believe that you

1721
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:08,320
did that you also wrote a book with the

1722
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:14,320
Jedi Master Billy Dee Williams George

1723
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:16,600
Lucas for two years writing seven

1724
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,460
Indiana Jones novel starting with the

1725
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:21,120
Last Crusade the which I got this trip I

1726
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,310
gave me the script and I adapted it into

1727
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,040
a novel and that was our best seller

1728
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:28,960
list so they said well you want to try

1729
01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:31,870
some original Indiana Jones novels and

1730
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:36,520
it was his idea to go back to like

1731
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:38,830
prequels before the movies the 1920s to

1732
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:41,050
do the 1920s and which is what I did in

1733
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:45,390
the six original ones and they they were

1734
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:48,880
you know pretty much open to stories

1735
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:51,910
that I wanted to pursue they didn't they

1736
01:19:00,090 --> 01:18:55,570
don't have a lot of restrictions at all

1737
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:00,100
that George's thing is that the the

1738
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:02,250
mystical object has to be a real object

1739
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:06,610
that we know about from legend that you

1740
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:08,110
can't just make something up out of

1741
01:19:13,470 --> 01:19:10,570
whole cloth that it has to be like the

1742
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:13,480
omphalos and apparel Delphi the first

1743
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,250
one was an actual object mystical option

1744
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:21,520
and so that was pretty much it and you

1745
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:24,580
know those books one after another in

1746
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:27,760
four months to write one the deadline

1747
01:19:33,230 --> 01:19:30,910
and then I had to start the next day and

1748
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:33,240
the next one and there were a lot of

1749
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:36,070
travel as Indiana Jones's you know I'm

1750
01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:39,520
going over the road then and we didn't

1751
01:19:46,020 --> 01:19:41,260
have the internet at that time when I

1752
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:46,030
was in the early 1980s early 90s and but

1753
01:19:51,480 --> 01:19:49,450
fortunately I my younger years I would

1754
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,490
work at a newspaper for a year or two

1755
01:19:56,460 --> 01:19:53,920
save money and then travel overseas so

1756
01:19:58,890 --> 01:19:56,470
central South America Europe North

1757
01:20:01,020 --> 01:19:58,900
Africa and so I had a lot of you know

1758
01:20:02,219 --> 01:20:01,030
personal travel experiences and I always

1759
01:20:04,919 --> 01:20:02,229
went to the

1760
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:04,929
to the to the ruins because when I

1761
01:20:11,819 --> 01:20:06,460
started college I wanted to be an

1762
01:20:14,819 --> 01:20:11,829
archaeologist actually and there are

1763
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:14,829
more more jobs in journalism and that's

1764
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:21,460
it so I became a reporter and I got a

1765
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:23,590
degree in mass communications and

1766
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:26,170
journalism work done this papers for 12

1767
01:20:31,049 --> 01:20:28,360
years before I met Trish and moved to

1768
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,059
freelance but I I I would take these

1769
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:33,659
trips up to six months just on my own

1770
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:36,190
traveling different parts of the world

1771
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,170
and that really helped out for the

1772
01:20:42,959 --> 01:20:40,960
Indiana Jones novels what do you think a

1773
01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:42,969
lot of people are going to be super

1774
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,400
curious about that what do you make

1775
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:48,300
about maybe the deeper connection of

1776
01:20:53,759 --> 01:20:51,249
Indiana Jones with all the other work

1777
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:53,769
that you've done do you think Lucas was

1778
01:20:59,879 --> 01:20:57,280
and is tapping into some deeper meaning

1779
01:21:07,140 --> 01:20:59,889
there it certainly seems like he's on

1780
01:21:08,729 --> 01:21:07,150
the verge of you know there's something

1781
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,739
special about the Indiana Jones

1782
01:21:14,549 --> 01:21:11,920
character he is a legendary character an

1783
01:21:18,930 --> 01:21:14,559
archetype of adventure and everybody

1784
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:18,940
knows him and you know that's how you

1785
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:21,820
know people ask me well what do you

1786
01:21:27,390 --> 01:21:24,190
write about and what kind of books do

1787
01:21:29,279 --> 01:21:27,400
you write and I said well you may not

1788
01:21:31,950 --> 01:21:29,289
know my name but you're going to know

1789
01:21:34,459 --> 01:21:31,960
that one of my characters I didn't

1790
01:21:38,580 --> 01:21:34,469
create the character but I I gave him

1791
01:21:42,569 --> 01:21:38,590
part of his early life and we got to go

1792
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:42,579
to Skywalker Ranch which is amazing and

1793
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:49,210
it was in the days before they had his

1794
01:21:53,459 --> 01:21:51,130
headquarters headquarters production

1795
01:21:56,549 --> 01:21:53,469
students yeah the most amazing library

1796
01:21:59,250 --> 01:21:56,559
it was just filled with occult books

1797
01:22:01,469 --> 01:21:59,260
since Brown he had a ladder that went

1798
01:22:03,959 --> 01:22:01,479
around the room and their daughter was

1799
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,969
only about 8 months old I think when we

1800
01:22:08,219 --> 01:22:06,159
went and she she just crawled around on

1801
01:22:10,259 --> 01:22:08,229
the floor and I said Megan here's

1802
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:10,269
something you can tell your kids you got

1803
01:22:15,459 --> 01:22:12,130
to go to Skywalker Ranch and crawl

1804
01:22:17,869 --> 01:22:15,469
around on the floor in their libraries

1805
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:17,879
that is the story to tell that is a

1806
01:22:22,189 --> 01:22:20,249
story to tell well you guys have been

1807
01:22:24,379 --> 01:22:22,199
awesome and thanks for sharing someone

1808
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:24,389
thank you you're really you're a great

1809
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,110
host oh it's easy it's easy when you

1810
01:22:33,529 --> 01:22:30,300
pick the right guest which my audience

1811
01:22:36,139 --> 01:22:33,539
did for me here so again first of of

1812
01:22:38,959 --> 01:22:36,149
many chats because we really have

1813
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:38,969
scratched the surface but if you were in

1814
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:42,300
the dark about these amazing folks Rob

1815
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:46,320
and Trish McGregor please don't stay in

1816
01:22:50,839 --> 01:22:49,050
the dark go ahead and out and check out

1817
01:22:57,379 --> 01:22:50,849
all their books y'all have a great day

1818
01:22:59,569 --> 01:22:57,389
and yeah you too Alex so much thanks

1819
01:23:02,000 --> 01:22:59,579
again to Rob and Trish McGregor for

1820
01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:02,010
joining me today on script go and thanks

1821
01:23:06,529 --> 01:23:04,679
to Mike Patterson for helping connect me

1822
01:23:09,049 --> 01:23:06,539
with them and pointing them in my

1823
01:23:10,069 --> 01:23:09,059
direction so it was a great chat I

1824
01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:10,079
really enjoyed it

1825
01:23:13,759 --> 01:23:12,209
I'm gonna tee up one kind of weird

1826
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:13,769
question here from all the different

1827
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:15,570
things that we talked about what do you

1828
01:23:21,139 --> 01:23:18,719
make of the west Meeks case I mean I

1829
01:23:24,549 --> 01:23:21,149
think it speaks to so many of the issues

1830
01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:24,559
with this interview one is are these

1831
01:23:29,959 --> 01:23:27,179
researchers are these authors credible

1832
01:23:33,259 --> 01:23:29,969
have they done their due diligence in

1833
01:23:36,259 --> 01:23:33,269
finding this case because if we do take

1834
01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:36,269
this case at face value it raises so

1835
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:38,550
many the questions we have about the

1836
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:41,159
extended consciousness realm I don't

1837
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:43,739
think it's wrong to question the

1838
01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:47,699
trickster or the malevolent aspect of a

1839
01:23:52,909 --> 01:23:50,280
spirit that gets involved in this way

1840
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:52,919
but maybe that's too narrow of a

1841
01:23:56,540 --> 01:23:54,329
definition to think that all

1842
01:23:59,719 --> 01:23:56,550
interactions we would have with some

1843
01:24:02,509 --> 01:23:59,729
kind of divine God would be a certain

1844
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:02,519
way so it raises all those kind of

1845
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:04,530
questions it also raises a bunch of

1846
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:06,780
questions about the Akashic field and

1847
01:24:12,649 --> 01:24:09,169
the Akashic records which I find

1848
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:12,659
incredibly over-simplistic in a way that

1849
01:24:17,060 --> 01:24:15,449
makes me question it again so there's so

1850
01:24:19,759 --> 01:24:17,070
many questions around that a narrow

1851
01:24:22,219 --> 01:24:19,769
little case that I find interesting and

1852
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:22,229
that's the reason I wanted to tee it up

1853
01:24:26,779 --> 01:24:24,329
so let me know your thoughts on that I

1854
01:24:27,419 --> 01:24:26,789
always point people to the skeptical

1855
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:27,429
forum

1856
01:24:31,770 --> 01:24:30,280
for communicating especially with me and

1857
01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:31,780
people who are really listening to the

1858
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:34,900
show and desiring to have greater

1859
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:38,010
interaction like I am about these topics

1860
01:24:42,179 --> 01:24:40,209
skeptical forum is the place to go and

1861
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:42,189
you can get there from The Skeptical

1862
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:46,329
website as ke p TI k o comm there you

1863
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,630
can find all our previous shows over 400

1864
01:24:54,509 --> 01:24:51,280
of them that you can download listen to

1865
01:24:57,299 --> 01:24:54,519
share with people you think should be

1866
01:25:00,299 --> 01:24:57,309
hearing it well I have a number of

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interesting shows coming up do stay with

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me for all of that until next time take